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Endeavour Starfleet
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Posted - 2012.03.02 00:04:00 -
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Quote:BUT WAIT, THERE IS EVEN MORE! From now on, and this current wave is included, characters who receive a warning such as this will have the characters locked to the account. This means that once you've received a warning for botting your character transfer privileges have been revoked in perpetuity. This is to prevent people trying to circumvent the rules by recycling accounts. Yes we know people pointed out this could happen last time around and if you'll remember we said "We'll keep an eye on it and if it becomes a problem we'll deal with it". Here is us dealing with it. We'll probably have to come up with some form of timing solution for the future, but as it stands today it's forever. If you care about your dudes don't to bad things.
Yes Yes... Yes... Yes.... YES YES YES YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FINALLY!
This was pushing the prices for characters up and allowing botters to get away with their activity. This devblog thus should cause a significant drop in botting.
But the war isn't over yet folks! On our end the best thing we can do is hit the report bot function when we find the bots. And yes this includes blues that are botting. Remember that blue is cheating and making things worse for you in prices or in effort to PVP. Report him or her!
Looking forward to better PLEX prices and for the miners having better mineral value. |
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Posted - 2012.03.02 10:39:00 -
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Can we keep this topic about real solutions about botting instead of it becoming another "Nerf teh local" silly topic. Botting is a different matter than you not being able to get that juicy kill because a real player is paying attention.
Removing local wont kill botting. Hitting report bot is the best thing we can do. If you are running into juicy bot targets report them and let CCP get teh bot remove mail.
Now about this whole "Bot banz before teh Fanfest" thing. I do believe CCP has had some communication on the subject between these waves but I will say this.
While I applaud your efforts on this CCP you have to keep up the pressure on these botting idiots. And continue to talk about it and continue to urge people to use the report bot function. There has been far too many able to say "CCP likes botting because of PLEX" on this forum and it needs to stop. Constant communication will help.
I agree that 10 bot bans is better than a single message on the forums. However you simply cant let such rumors grow because they actively sap the morale of the active players. Even if it is as simple as "Ok report the botting idiot and let us get to work  " |
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Posted - 2012.03.03 02:07:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
I'm not quite sure what you're asking for here. It seems to me that you're involved in business ventures which carry with them some risk. In those ventures you're clearly dealing with people you can't trust and if I'm tracking this correctly you're asking me to ensure you that if bad people do things we won't reverse the transactions and I simply won't ever make a blanket statement like that based on potential future scenarios. Everything is dealt with on a case by case basis and every business venture carries risk. CCP does not subsidize that risk for you and it's to you to determine that the isk you're gaining is being gained legally. If you're engaging in markets such as loans which are beyond the intent of our systems by design then that risk is yours.
You could make an argument that CCP should design some form of guaranteed loan system but that wouldn't be my department. Every time you make a transaction outside of the scope of our controlled systems such as the market or contract system you are choosing to accept that risk.
Thank you for your reply. I did not mean about the risk of losing ISK. I meant about the risk of being banned myself just because someone cheated / RMT in the "chain" that ends with me holding collateral. Also, I read that in other MMOs they flag players handling large amounts of ISK and I think the 100B I would get, could make me blacklisted somewhere.
My personal opinion on the subject is this.
If you ever suspect the funds you have received is generated against the EULA petition and gives as much info as you can. |
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Posted - 2012.03.03 02:13:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Can we keep this topic about real solutions about botting instead of it becoming another "Nerf teh local" silly topic. Botting is a different matter than you not being able to get that juicy kill because a real player is paying attention. Removing local wont kill botting. Hitting report bot is the best thing we can do. If you are running into juicy bot targets report them and let CCP get teh bot remove mail. Now about this whole "Bot banz before teh Fanfest" thing. I do believe CCP has had some communication on the subject between these waves but I will say this. While I applaud your efforts on this CCP you have to keep up the pressure on these botting idiots. And continue to talk about it and continue to urge people to use the report bot function. There has been far too many able to say "CCP likes botting because of PLEX" on this forum and it needs to stop. Constant communication will help. I agree that 10 bot bans is better than a single message on the forums. However you simply cant let such rumors grow because they actively sap the morale of the active players. Even if it is as simple as "Ok report the botting idiot and let us get to work " I don't disagree that we need to be better at communicating. It's something we've highlighted internally quite often and why I spend days following these threads.
Understood I am just stating that in my opinion even simple communication can seriously help people feel they are empowered to actually do something against botters.
That's why say if a topic comes up saying "Wtf CCP why is teh botter still in mah system" You simply say "Report him and we will see what we can do " If someone says "Frak that CCP luvs them some botters for PLEX" You say "Not true report them and see how much we really luv them "
Simple but effective at getting players to actually do something. And maybe even getting more people reporting blue bots.
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Endeavour Starfleet
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Posted - 2012.03.03 06:22:00 -
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Well the forum ate my $#@%#$$ post so ill say it simple.
14 days with a 3 percent 2nd ban rate seems to be working.
Report the bots. Once they rectify the botters who do it for shiny ships and can be reformed. They can focus on the RMT and Alliance bots.
Report blue bots. Alliances can't seriously make "No report Blue Bots" rules. |
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Posted - 2012.03.03 12:13:00 -
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Orbit Uranus wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Report blue bots. Alliances can't seriously make "No report Blue Bots" rules. Alliances aren't playing EVE to be CCP's police task force on bots. Let the ones who get paid for it find the bots.
You do realize this is a highly suspicious remark no?
We all lose to bots. Reporting them Blue Grey or Red will help everyone including the goons. Help CCP fix this issue so that the game is better for everyone. |
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Posted - 2012.03.04 11:12:00 -
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CynoNet Two wrote:Carlos Aranda wrote:This is very wrong. In RL, too. If you do not fight criminals, they take over your world. Not only do you seem to have great difficulty in seeing that real life is not the same as a video game, but I get the impression you come from a rather corrupt area of the world and seem to be rather bitter about that fact. It's not my job to hunt down and fight criminals on behalf of the police*, and neither is it my job to hunt down and catch botters on behalf of CCP. Perhaps if you reined in your seething rage over ZOMG SPACESHIP CHEATERS you'd be able to join an adult discussion on the matter, without resorting to trite cliches or evading word filters because swearing is so edgy. * although I did enjoy the film Super
Well if you don't want to put much effort into it I can understand. However if you see an obvious blue bot you would report it right? |
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Posted - 2012.03.09 19:33:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Xorv wrote:
Thanks for the reply Sreegs, your efforts in dealing with botters and communicating with the EVE community here is genuinely appreciated. Still very underwhelmed by the punishment , 14 days is barely a slap on the wrist for someone who has gone out of their way to get a third party program with the specific intent to cheat in the game.
While it is understood you did not respond to my specific suggestions, and I appreciate why,. I will say this, EVE needs holistic treatment that addresses the disease not merely treating the symptoms, and that can only be done at the design level. A lot of us are hoping that Inferno moves in that direction and really delivers.
Not directly at you but since this is a common refrain, 14 days works. It simply does. You may not like that it works but it does and we'll show you the numbers that back that up. In addition there's some other fun things that are happening like that character lock, as well as something fresh I'll announce once it's ready. Forcing them to watch Beiber music videos? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AGH2JcVVL0
Now that is just cruel!
Aren Dar wrote:Selling characters is a side business to most botters, and not their main one. They make more in a weeks botting than they will do by selling their Tengu pilot of Character bazaar. So this will slightly raise the cost of botting, but won't prevent it.
Yes but it is still a major blow to botters. They cant get affected characters and accounts "off the books" now. And that will reduce their effectiveness.
CCP Sreegs wrote: Not directly at you but since this is a common refrain, 14 days works. It simply does. You may not like that it works but it does and we'll show you the numbers that back that up. In addition there's some other fun things that are happening like that character lock, as well as something fresh I'll announce once it's ready.
Agreed. And folks as much as we would like to see bot accounts thrown into the lava in the first detection. Fact is many can be *saved* And eventually become good players who will find and report bots on their own as well.
Looking forward to hearing about more stats and efforts in the future. Until then folks keep reporting the bots that you see! Even if they are blue!
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Posted - 2012.03.11 19:30:00 -
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Inovy Dacella wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I got a question as well. Isn't "1000 to 2000 bans" a bit too little? Considering people usually have 2 or more accounts that'd be like 500 unique botting people. Doesn't it sound a bit too low? Considering that in some systems there are 10+ bots?
This highlights the perspective issue. We banned 10 market bots and the market people in this thread stated they noticed a tremendous difference... We build our system to deal with certain things and we can show results based on that. We can't give overall perspective (nor can any other company out there). If I could answer this question then I'd know how many bots there were and I'd ban them all. If players claim they can detect bots so easily, is it possible to make bot detecting a part of the game? Perhaps with some knid of bot detection software we could identify and report them to Concord, which in return could verify and issue a kill permit on the bot. Then we can pod kill them, loot them and collect the reward.
So you just want killmail and don't really care about the needed action is banning right?
And autodection rarely works. If botters learn how it works they will go 99 percent before ban and still RMT and destroy the market.
Report bot is the best tool for the players right now. The players notice the signs over time on the harder to find ones. |
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